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Category 14,  Topic 45
Message 1         Sat Jun 05, 1993
STEVE-J [Steve @ NLS]        at 23:59 EDT
 
  Since Atari has now officially announced the Jaguar, it now deserves its own
topic in the official Atari Corp. category.  To start things off on the
'official' Jaguar topic, here's the Jaguar press release:



OTC  06/03 1552  ATARI LAUNCHES THE JAGUAR, A 64-BIT MULTI-MEDIA GAME SYSTEM


   SUNNYVALE, CA (JUNE 3) PR NEWSWIRE - Atari Corp. (AMEX: ATC), the founder
of the video game industry and the creative force behind some of the world's
best- known titles, has announced the launch of a revolutionary new multi-
media entertainment system, the Atari Jaguar. The launch will be supported by
aggressive advertising, promotion and marketing efforts to be centered in the
New York market in the fall, with a national roll-out of the product within
one year.

   The Atari Jaguar, housed in a futuristic casing, is an interactive multi-
media system based on an Atari-designed proprietary 64-bit RISC processor. 
The 64-bit system is four times the technology currently seen in the market
today. The Atari Jaguar features over 16 million colors in 24-bit true-color
graphics and produces shaded 3-D polygons to be manipulated in a "real" world
in real time.  The Atari Jaguar also has real-time texture mapping and creates
spectacular video effects.

   The sound system is based on Atari's proprietary, high-speed, Digital
Signal Processor dedicated to audio.  The audio is 16-bit stereo CD quality
and processes simultaneous sources of audio data, allowing for very realistic
sounds, as well as human voices, which are essential for future multi-media
applications.

   The Atari Jaguar is truly expandable and will include a 32-bit expansion
port which allows for future connection into cable and telephone networks, as
well as a digital signal processing port for modem use and connection to
digital audio peripherals such as DAT players.

   The unit will also have a compact disc peripheral, which will be double-
speed and will play regular CD audio, CD + G (Karaoke) and Kodak's new Photo-
CD(R).

   Currently, there are multiple software titles in development, which will be
available on MegaCart(TM).  Atari, known for such groundbreaking 3-D titles as
"Battlezone 2000(R)" and "Tempest 2000(R)," will issue spectacular new
versions for the Atari Jaguar. New 3-D game titles will include
"Cybermorph(R)," "Alien vs. Predator(R)," "Jaguar Formula One Racing(TM)" and
many more.  Atari will license third-party publishers to join the Jaguar
family.

   "The Atari Jaguar system will revolutionize the state of home entertainment
as we see it today," said Sam Tramiel, president of Atari. "The idea of a 64-
bit system is earth shattering and kids and adults will be amazed at both the
imagery and manipulative capabilities.  And we are proud that our entry into
the multi-media entertainment category will be fully made in America."

   The Atari Jaguar will retail for approximately $200 and will be available
nationwide next year.  The Atari Jaguar packaged unit will include one
software experience and a Power Pad(R) Controller with a ten-key pad and other
special features.

   Atari Corp. manufactures and markets personal computers and video games for
the home, office and educational marketplaces throughout the world.  Atari
headquarters are located at 1196 Borregas Ave., Sunnyvale, CA  94089.

 CONTACT: August J. Liguori of Atari Corp., 408-745-2069


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Category 14,  Topic 45
Message 2         Thu Oct 28, 1993
M.RIVMAN1 [MATT]             at 01:10 EDT
 
I looked at the 4 page Jaguar spread in one of the game mags today. Sorry, I
not a regular reader of them and I don't recall which one, but I will say that
I was very impressed.  I hope Cybermorph is as impressive as the folks here
have been saying, 'cause I wasn't too impressed by the screen shots.  Not
being into games a whole lot I may not fully understand what I'm looking at,
but I will say that the shots of Alien vs Predator looked great!  Better than
the others in the add.  (IMHO)

Don't misunderstand, all the shots were good.  I just happened to think A v P
looked best.  If they play as good as they look.. Atari is 'in there'!

Matt

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Category 14,  Topic 45
Message 3         Thu Oct 28, 1993
AEO.MAG [!] FSU #1 [!]       at 03:18 EDT
 
I think Alien Vs. Predator will turn out to be a great game. Really, really
great.

And if some of the "things" I've heard wind up in the finished product, AvP
will earn the "Awesome!" rating.

--Travis
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Category 14,  Topic 45
Message 4         Thu Oct 28, 1993
AEO.MAG [!] FSU #1 [!]       at 16:56 EDT
 
There's been a sighting of a Jaguar advertisement. Check out message number 76
in CAT 14 TOP 44 for details.

--Travis
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Category 14,  Topic 45
Message 5         Fri Oct 29, 1993
WETMORE [Tony]               at 00:33 EDT
 

    There's also a 2-page Lynx ad in that same magazine, toward the
 back of the magazine...

    Just seeing the two ads made the mag worth the $4 newsstand price,
 IMHO.  [:-)

    -Tony

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Category 14,  Topic 45
Message 6         Fri Oct 29, 1993
SAM-RAPP [<<Sam>>]           at 02:20 EDT
 
I heard someone mention that the new issue of "Game Informer" (hmmm, not sure
thats right...) has a Jaguar AD in it.  Something about a Jaguar (cat) chasing
Mario and Sonic around...

==========> Sam
           "We're taking the competition apart bit by bit."


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Category 14,  Topic 45
Message 7         Fri Oct 29, 1993
A.GIOVETTI [al giovetti]     at 05:11 EDT
 
Game Informer is a small magazine run by a mail order house!

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Category 14,  Topic 45
Message 8         Fri Oct 29, 1993
STEVE-J [DrHfuhruhurr]       at 06:19 EDT
 
If only GAME INFORMER were available somewhere! <grin>  I've never even HEARD
of that magazine before, which makes me wonder why the first ads showed up
there instead of GAMEPRO or somesuch.  Is that magazine a NY or SF only
magazine?
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Category 14,  Topic 45
Message 9         Fri Oct 29, 1993
WETMORE [Tony]               at 10:13 EDT
 

    I bought the Game Informer mag at B. Dalton, if that helps anyone
 out.  I live in Maryland.

    I think the reason they showed up there first is the fact that
 it's the first "December" magazine on the newsstands, and I'd say
 that Atari will be doing lots of advertising in December issues of
 lots of magazines.  [:-)

    Actually, the ad said "Chewing up the competition bit by bit", I
 think (I don't have the magazine in front of me).

    -Tony

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Category 14,  Topic 45
Message 10        Fri Oct 29, 1993
WETMORE [Tony]               at 10:28 EDT
 

    Dateline:Atari! held on Thursday instead of Friday next week?

    YES!  Cool, that means I can make it to this one (finally!).
 Thanks to whoever made that decision, just to accomodate my
 schedule.  I really appreciate it.  [;-)

    -Tony

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Category 14,  Topic 45
Message 11        Fri Oct 29, 1993
PG.MUSIC [PG-Kevin]          at 13:28 EDT
 
Will there be any TV ads for the Jag?

--Kevin
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Category 14,  Topic 45
Message 12        Fri Oct 29, 1993
J.THORNHILL [JAGUARJIM]      at 13:52 EDT
 
I know definitely that their wil be Jaguar ads in the December issues of
GamePro and VG and probably all of the others as well.

-That's Jaguar Jim
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Message 13        Fri Oct 29, 1993
ST.LOU [Lou]                 at 20:44 EDT
 
Tony, the Dateline Atari will be coming to you live from the New York site of
the Jaguar rollout. Please do join us at 10:00 p.m. Eastern Time.

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Category 14,  Topic 45
Message 14        Fri Oct 29, 1993
WETMORE [Tony]               at 21:28 EDT
 

    Lou,

    You can bet I WILL be there!  Say, you don't know if there's gonna
 be any TV coverage of the press conference itself, do you?  Either
 live or taped, or whatever?

    THAT would be cool.  [:-)

    -Tony

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Category 14,  Topic 45
Message 15        Fri Oct 29, 1993
J.NESS [Jim]                 at 23:05 EDT
 
Tony -

Live coverage of the news conference?

Even Bill Clinton has trouble getting live coverage.  Sam Tramiel may well be
taped, though, for a later appearance on various cable business news shows.

                                    -JN
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Category 14,  Topic 45
Message 16        Fri Oct 29, 1993
M.LYDA [mike]                at 23:35 EDT
 
  Why would they put ads in Gamepro or EG?  They already have 2-3 page reviews
in every game magazine you pick up on the newstand! (well.. except the SEGA
and Nintendo specific ones..)  Anybody catch the Gamepro??? (can't remember)
cover that shows the 3DO and has the word HYPE on it!!!  aahhahahahhaa  Glad I
didn't plunk down $699.
  A low rent ad in Game Informer makes sense..  actually, it probably was the
closest issue they could get it in to Nov 4-5 when they are supposed to start
the ad campaign, and they can now show investors and such a print ad.
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Category 14,  Topic 45
Message 17        Sat Oct 30, 1993
AEO.MAG [!] FSU #1 [!]       at 01:01 EDT
 
//// Tony,

I was talking with Bob just a few hours ago. I passed on your "thanks" for
having moved the November RTC to Thursday night, and Bob replied, "Tell Tony
the ST RoundTable and I are glad to offer such personalized service!"

<sly grin>

//// ALL,

Bob was working very very late tonight, and he was kind enough to spend nearly
an hour bringing me up to date on Jaguar news. One tidbit that I can relate to
everyone now (and that's because someone else talked!) is the name of one of
the new Jaguar developers: Park Place Productions. They've done work under the
Electronic Arts umbrella, most notably John Madden Football for the Sega
Genesis. Park Place is working on a football game for the Jaguar, and have
been signed on for almost two months now. (Bob told me about them after the
September Dateline: Atari RTC.)

Park Place is also developing a title called (from what I can gather) "3D
Football" for the 3DO system. Bob couldn't say if Park Place is doing John
Madden, 3D Football, or a different title for the Jaguar. Rest assured though,
there will be a quality football game for the Jaguar in 94. (Personally, I am
pleased.)

But what else? In addition to Cybermorph (the pack-in), there will be three
other games for sale this holiday season (Crescent Galaxy, Raiden and
Evolution Dino-Dudes). Plans are to have fifty (50) games available by the end
of 1994. Doing some simple math indicates an average of almost four games per
month (close to a game per week!) in 94. Now don't go off saying that there
WILL be a new game every week.

Who will carry the Jaguar? Electronic Boutique, Babbages, Toys R Us, Good Guys
and others. (Garry Tramiel just inked a deal with a nationwide retail chain -
not an electronic/software chain - that may be announced this Thursday.)

The Thursday press thingy will take place in the Time/Life building in New
York. Read into that (or not) what you will. Ron Kovacs will be there, and
there will be a full report in next weekend's AEO. There are still things up
in the air that may NOT be announced Thursday, so if you don't see NN new
developers mentioned, don't panic.

I'm going to be busy working on AEO (and personal stuff) this coming week, but
I'll drop by every so often to try and field any questions.


To sum up, where do we stand? The Fuse Is Burning Fast. The Jaguar is only
days away from exploding onto the scene. I am totally convinced that Atari's
rebirth starts now.

--Travis

P.S. Oh yeah, there will be ads in other gamign magazines also - TV
     commercials too. Atari is making a major push here.
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Category 14,  Topic 45
Message 18        Sat Oct 30, 1993
A.GIOVETTI [al giovetti]     at 02:17 EDT
 
Game Informer Magazine
 10120 West 76th Street
 Eden Prarie, MN 55344

Six Information Packed issues for $17.88
 68 pages

or call Gary Gillem at the circulation department 1-612-946-7245

Associated with Funco, Inc.  Same address 1-612-8883.  Every issue comes with
an eight page catalog for discount price mail order games.  The company also
lists the price that they will buy the game from you (used) and resell used
and new!

Tony Wetmore, Who do you write for?

Al Giovetti,
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Category 14,  Topic 45
Message 19        Sat Oct 30, 1993
MIKE-ALLEN [NM~SysOp]        at 02:36 EDT
 
Saw a picture and a mention (as kind of an also-ran) of the Jaguar in the
November Wired.  Mostly talk about 3do.

        Mike Allen
        ST HelpDesk~Sysop

        Written: 11:27 PM Mountain Time
                 Friday, October 29, 1993

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Category 14,  Topic 45
Message 20        Sat Oct 30, 1993
M.POCHE [Mick]               at 04:31 EDT
 
Travis -

Your last post contained the best news I've heard so far about Jaguar
developers! I've never really been satisfied with _any_ football games for any
Atari systems, including NFL Football for the Lynx.

If Park Place comes up with a John Madden beater for the Jag, we'll finally
have a great football game! Can't wait for that one!!

A one game/week average would be better than most people could afford, and
even half that would be more than enough for my to totally wipe out my bank
account, so that number should be pretty good as long as most of the games are
of high quality.

I think that just about anyone, anywhere should be able to find a E.B.,
Babbages or Toys R Us (Hmmmm, where's that backwards R key?) in their area, so
Jaguars should be easily accessable to everyone!

Again, this is all great news. For the first time in a LONG time, I actually
feel that Atari's going to do this one right. The ball's in their hands, and
they need to take that pigskin and run with it! We can't settle for a field
goal this time either!

Thanks for the updates on everything Atari....

- Mick

BTW, it hurts every time I see your "[!] FSU #1 [!]" up there. I live just a
couple of miles from LSU! Ughhhhhhh.

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Category 14,  Topic 45
Message 21        Sat Oct 30, 1993
WETMORE [Tony]               at 08:15 EDT
 

    Al,

    Ummmm, I write for uhhh, hmmmm... Wetmore Publications.  Yeah,
 that's right - I =OWN= my own publishing company.  In fact, I'm
 getting ready to buy out Ziff-Davis and several other smaller
 competitors.  [;-)

    Seriously, I don't write for anyone.  Did something I say give you
 that impression?

    I'm a lowly programmer/slave, who has sort of a "problem" with
 video games (I can stop anytime I want, really! <g>).

    -Tony

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Category 14,  Topic 45
Message 22        Sat Oct 30, 1993
L.FULGENZI [Chas]            at 09:43 EDT
 
 Mike,

 I think that was the November issue of Electronic Games.  The title
 was "3DO, supersystem or superhype?"  The actual article was much
 more a tame and just rehashed the basic info on the system that every
 other gaming magazine has printed.

 Ah, Game Informer is that magazine the Funco people are always
 pushing on me <G>.  Now I know where to go looking for it!

 -Chas
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Category 14,  Topic 45
Message 23        Sat Oct 30, 1993
M.LYDA [mike]                at 13:01 EDT
 
chas;

  yep, that was it! Cover of Nov. issue of EG:  "3DO, blah blah SUPERHYPE" 
;^)

Those two words together on the cover of a gaming magazine... well, bet Trip
wasn't happy about that.

I did see the ads in Game Informer.. in all the book stores and Software, ETC
in the mall.
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Category 14,  Topic 45
Message 24        Sat Oct 30, 1993
AEO.MAG [!] FSU #1 [!]       at 14:12 EDT
 
Mick,

Well, at least we share the same opinion of the &@*!$%# Florida Gators! I'm
using FSU #1 for a nickname because we've been so close to winning a "national
championship" the past few years, but we've always let it slip away ("Wide
right"). Bobby Bowden is one of the hardest working coaches, and he deserves
to win it all this time.

This year seems to be our best chance ever (with a mighty tough schedule still
to go - Notre Dame (we'll have to rewrite RUDY) and the &@*!$%# Gators both on
the road), hence my sticking my neck out on the line with the nickname. Don't
worry, if FSU stumbles, you'll get to rub it in my face! (I'm sure Bob Brodie
will.)

--Travis

P.S. Uhhhh, to stay on topic, how 'bout those Jaguars? :-)
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Category 14,  Topic 45
Message 25        Sat Oct 30, 1993
A.GIOVETTI [al giovetti]     at 14:41 EDT
 
What is the address of Wired and the phone numbers (voice and fax) for
subscriptions and editorial information?

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Category 14,  Topic 45
Message 26        Sat Oct 30, 1993
H.NAGRA1 [HARJ]              at 16:26 EDT
 
  The latest issue of Video Games magazine had a review of the Jaguar. But
somehow they have the impression that the Jag is a 32-bit machine.  Someone
from Atari should let these guys know that the Jag is a true 64-bit cat. 
Misinformation like this has a tendency to spread quite rapidly and could put
a damper on Atari's efforts.

Their review of Crescent Galaxy was quite scathing too.  Is it true that CG
does not have parallex scrolling, are the backgrounds just like 'wallpaper'
with no depth?

Harj
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Category 14,  Topic 45
Message 27        Sat Oct 30, 1993
J.THORNHILL [JAGUARJIM]      at 19:08 EDT
 
Harj,

     VideoGames had their information and specs all screwed up.  The magazine
has gone the way of EGM since Andy left.  Glad he is with GamePro now.  That
Chris and Mike guy seemed all gunho to hype the Nintendo vaporware 64-bit in
their editorial.  VideoGames should stick to what brought them this far and
that is covering videogames and not try to pretend that they are hardware
experts.  VG looks like it has become a little kiddy magazine.

-That's JAGUAR Jim

Travis,

Please find out from Bob what time the big Jaguar bash is set to kickoff on
Thursday and where we may be able to see some coverage about it on any of the
networks (evening news, CNBC or other).

-Still Jaguar Jim
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Category 14,  Topic 45
Message 28        Sat Oct 30, 1993
AEO.7 [Gregg]                at 21:03 EDT
 
Anyone else notice that the Carolinas have a new NFL Pro Football team? Called
the Panthers????  Pity, We came so close to having a household name already
well known all at someone else's expense <grin>..... Ah well, Jaguar or
Panther.....  Let's all pray for a MAJOR success!!!!

Gregg
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Category 14,  Topic 45
Message 29        Sat Oct 30, 1993
L.FULGENZI [Chas]            at 21:21 EDT
 
 I had it explained to me over in the Games RT, VG meant "32 bits" as
 in 32 bit graphics (the 24bits + 8bits for special effects thing).
 I agree it was presented in a confusing manner that most people
 (including me) would think they meant "32-bit" machine.  Especially
 in light of their questioning of the 68000's function.

 Don't sell the review of Crescent Galaxy short.  It was reportedly
 done by Chris *Bieniek*.  One of VG's "old-guard" reviewers who's
 usually very accurate about game quality.  We need to keep our
 fingers crossed on this one.

 -Chas
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Category 14,  Topic 45
Message 30        Sat Oct 30, 1993
A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt]       at 21:48 EDT
 
John Dvorak, high prince of computer columnists, mentions the jag in his
column in the current issue of PC Magazine.

(Maybe I'm the clown prince of computer columnists? Anyway, I'm writing about
the Jag in two weeks.)

Al

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Category 14,  Topic 45
Message 31        Sat Oct 30, 1993
J.THORNHILL [JAGUARJIM]      at 21:57 EDT
 
aL,

What publication will your article be in and what issue?

-Jim
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Message 32        Sat Oct 30, 1993
S.WOLF4 [T/A Sandy]          at 23:06 EDT
 
 FSU, LSU, &@*!$%# Gators.  How about those ROARING Columbia Lions? An
 alma mater of mine!  3 cheers: oi, oi, ouch.  I live right across a
 small stream from the Col. Univ. athletic fields, and get a live view
 of the Lions devouring themselves every 2nd week.  Always accompanied
 by lots of band playing and cheering, Ivy League style.

 --Sandy

 PS: Oops, just realized lions and jaguars are related cats.  Sorry
     'bout that.

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Category 14,  Topic 45
Message 33        Sun Oct 31, 1993
D.ENGEL [Thunderbird]        at 00:18 EDT
 
HARJ:

   Yes, that description of the CG backgrounds is fairly accurate. I must
point out that the 'wallpaper' is about the prettiest ever seen in a game. It
is kinda flat.

   This was predicted a long time ago when CG was supposed to be the pack-in.

   This is no reflection on the abilities of the Jaguar. It can do parallax
scrolling like you wouldn't believe. I have the feeling the game designer was
not familiar with the hardware, and/or was not familiar with game programming,
and/or was more concerned with making the 'wallpaper' pretty than adding
depth.

   Check out the 'Alien vs. Predator' screenshots in the library. They are
awesome. This game is getting pretty good reviews and it is not done yet.

         ____________________
               \hunderbird

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Category 14,  Topic 45
Message 34        Sun Oct 31, 1993
E.JOLLEY [Eric]              at 00:56 EDT
 
 >Their review of Crescent Galaxy was quite scathing too.  Is it true that CG
 >does not have parallex scrolling, are the backgrounds just like 'wallpaper'
 >with no depth?
 >
 >Harj


As far as I could see (from CBS This Morning), the backgrounds are just
wallpaper.  Very flat.  Very disappointing, IMHO.  Atari should send CG back
for cosmetic surgery.  Things like parallex scrolling are important.  Atari
seems to be out of touch with what wows the kids.

-Eric

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Message 35        Sun Oct 31, 1993
M.RIVMAN1 [MATT]             at 01:56 EST
 
Travis, anyone...

OK, so we now know that the Press Conference is the  4th, at the Time Life
building...  What time does it begin, and is it open to the public?  I just
happen to be taking the day off, and would like to be there!!

Matt
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Message 36        Sun Oct 31, 1993
REALM [Joey]                 at 04:31 EST
 
    Tetris doesn't have parallex scrolling and it did OK.:-)  I'd rather see a
good game first.  Then use the graphics and sound neccessary to get the job
done right.  Knowing what not to use is just as important as knowing what to
use.  I would guess the programmer knows better then us after spending 5 or 6
months working on it everyday.  I've only seen it for about 3 seconds at 7am
in the morning.  Possible mutliply scrolling layers with millions of flying
eyeballs and ships was too confusing.
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Message 37        Sun Oct 31, 1993
J.THORNHILL [JAGUARJIM]      at 09:16 EST
 
Steve-J,

Who do you work for that enables you to know these secrets?  Also, what time
does the big sh-bang start on Thursday?

-Jim
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Message 38        Sun Oct 31, 1993
J.ROY18 [Jonathan]           at 09:17 EST
 
Heck, I'd be happy with a 24bit Xenon or Xenon II on the Jaguar. :)

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Message 39        Sun Oct 31, 1993
L.FULGENZI [Chas]            at 09:21 EST
 
  DrH.


  LOL!, you dog,....you evil dog!


  -Chas
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Message 40        Sun Oct 31, 1993
M.RIVMAN1 [MATT]             at 10:12 EST
 
Al,

Writing about the Jaguar?  'Tell it like it is' your Highness!  <G>

Matt

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Message 41        Sun Oct 31, 1993
A.GIOVETTI [al giovetti]     at 10:17 EST
 
just sounded like you were a lowly writer like me <G>?  I guess my curiosity
got the better of me.

How do you like your job?

Funco yea funco!

The Electronic Games article on thewas by Bill Kunkel following the Ed Dille
article on 3DO.

Again on the phones, addresses, faxes, etc. on editorial and subscription for
Wired.  I want to subscribe and write!

Al
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Message 42        Sun Oct 31, 1993
PG.MUSIC [PG-Kevin]          at 12:52 EST
 
Gregg,

Being from the Charlotte area originally (and now in Atlanta), I noticed the
Panthers. <ggg>

--Kevin
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Message 43        Sun Oct 31, 1993
A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt]       at 23:17 EST
 
Jim,

I write a syndicated column that runs in 100 papers in the U.S. and Canada,
along with two other columns that run in my local paper in Syracuse, New York.

I don't have a list of the papers that run the syndicated column; I can't
afford a clipping service, and the syndicate doesn't have one, either. But
readers have seen it in San Francisco, Chicago, Portland, Dallas,
Minneapolis/St. Paul, and a few other big cities, along with a lot of smaller
cities.

Al

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Message 44        Sun Oct 31, 1993
DABRUMLEVE [kidprgs]         at 23:48 EST
 
 Al, how does this column wind up in one's local paper?  Does the public
 ask for it, or do you approach the paper in question?  Is it a weekly
 column?
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Message 45        Mon Nov 01, 1993
M.RIVMAN1 [MATT]             at 23:19 EST
 
Al,

Do you know if your syndicated column runs in any of the Gannett papers???

Matt

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Message 46        Mon Nov 01, 1993
BOOJIBOY [BOOJIBOY]          at 23:53 EST
 
Speaking of Toys R Us, the last few times I had been at their stores here in
San Diego, they no longer had the Lynx or the game carts on display.  Today I
was at a Toys R Us and, guess what?  The Lynx carts were back on display! 
Hmmm....

And today, 11-1-93, Atari stock closed at 10!!!!
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Message 47        Tue Nov 02, 1993
A.GIOVETTI [al giovetti]     at 00:14 EST
 
I have to agree that the Jaguar review in Video Games did appear to be a
little confusing.  The comment concerning the 16-bit Motorola 68,000 chip
seemed to imply that the machine was 16-bit and that the Motorola processor
did more than the minor role that it aparently has in this product, while they
seemed to spend less important rhetoric on the four 64-bit processors
contained in the Tom chip (DRAM memory controller (up to 48 megabit carts),
object processor for video output (32-bit color), GPU (Game Processing
Unit???) with 4K SRAM, and Blitter, and Jerry chip, which is a 32 bit
processor which handles sound, joystick, clock, timers, Uart (?), and DSP(?)
with 8K SRAM.
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Message 48        Tue Nov 02, 1993
R.MOORE12 [Moe]              at 02:38 EST
 
Steve-J, when you said that incredible universe in Arlington would probably
carry the Jag, was that Arlington, VA?  I am presently in Arlington, VA and
would like to check it out if possible.  let me know and I can check for
everyone.

                  Thank you,
                          Ron
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Message 49        Tue Nov 02, 1993
STEVE-J [DrHfuhruhurr]       at 04:35 EST
 
A.GIOVETTI - GPU, I think, stands for "Graphics Processor Unit" just because
it's the main section of the entire Tom chip.
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Message 50        Tue Nov 02, 1993
JIM.K [Jim~ST Sysop]         at 10:48 EST
 
Messages #2-156 have been archived and are in the library-File #30588.
JAGUAR_4.ARC  10/11/93 to 10/27/93


 Jim Kudron
 <ST Sysop>
 2Nov93


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Message 51        Tue Nov 02, 1993
TOWNS [John]                 at 13:07 EST
 
 BTW.. I saw an interesting first ad for Jaguar.. At the Century 10
 Movie Theatres here in Mountain View, CA there was a three slide ad before
 the movie showing screen shots of Jaguar games, talking about the system,
 and the last slide is an ad looking for senior game designers, animators,
 and producers. 

 Interesting ad, no?
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Message 52        Tue Nov 02, 1993
C.FLUEGEL [Curt]             at 19:52 EST
 
  Al : I live in Saint Paul.. is i in the Star Trib or the Pioneer PRess? and
im new to this topic.. whats your column?
            Curt
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Message 53        Tue Nov 02, 1993
DMJ [dmj]                    at 20:10 EST
 
Moe:

No, it was probably Arlington, TX, between Dallas and Fort Worth. This is, of
course, a rumor...

     -dmj

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Message 54        Tue Nov 02, 1993
J.BATTEY1 [J. L. Battey]     at 22:35 EST
 
A.GIOVETTI,

 >object processor for video output (32-bit color), GPU (Game
 >Processing Unit???) with 4K SRAM, and Blitter, and Jerry chip, which
 >is a 32 bit processor which handles sound, joystick, clock, timers,
 >Uart (?), and DSP (?) with 8K SRAM.

GPU : Graphic Processor Unit (shading, antialias, morphing...) UART: Universal
Assynchronus Receiver/Transmitter (serial/parallel
      ports) DSP : Digital Signal Processor (astounding sounds, data
compression)


Moe,

 >Steve-J, when you said that Incredible Universe in Arlington would
 >probably carry the Jag, was that Arlington, VA?  I am presently in
 >Arlington, VA and would like to check it out if possible.  Let me
 >know and I can check for everyone.

Arlington, TX.

                                John L.

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Message 55        Wed Nov 03, 1993
A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt]       at 03:37 EST
 
Curt,

Star Tribune, as far as I know. I call it "Technofile," but some papers run it
under any standing head they want.

Al

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Message 56        Wed Nov 03, 1993
STEVE-J [DrHfuhruhurr]       at 05:56 EST
 
By the way, I think it was mentioned a week or so ago that Jaguar TV ads would
start airing in the test markets as early as this coming weekend.  So keep an
eye out, you lucky NY'ers and SF'ans! <grin>
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Message 57        Wed Nov 03, 1993
E.WINDELL [GENE]             at 17:51 EST
 
Al,

How 'bout posting your syndicated article on Jagaur right here in this topic? 
I would really enjoy reading it.  I assume there will be no editorial bias in
favor of the Atari product. <G>

Gene
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Message 58        Wed Nov 03, 1993
ARCHIVIST [Charlie]          at 22:19 EST
 
Gene, GEnie's worries about the distribution of copyrighted material extends
to text as well as software. It would very much depend on if Al owns the
copyright to his article in total or if it's split between him and the news
service that signs his checks. Also, there is likely to be some kind of
restrictions on the distribution of the text in his contract with his
publisher (I know, for example, that some writers in the SFRT had to receive
specific permission from their publishers to upload the first chapter of their
new novel; never mind that the writers owned the text, they had sold the right
to publish that text in ANY form under specific conditions. In that case the
publisher agreed to it as an experiment in a new marketing promotion).

Even if Al is willing, the sysops may HAVE to pull such a message unless we
can be sure that all the legal I's were dotted and T's crossed. Etc. I'm
really not at all familiar with the details of publishing in a newspaper
syndicate so, if it comes down to it, I'll pass that buck to some other sysop,
thankyouverymuch. ;-)

Charlie/sysop
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Message 59        Thu Nov 04, 1993
ICD.GMBH [Jeff W.]           at 14:45 EST
 
Today on Paul Harvey's mid-day broadcast of "Paul Harvey News & Commentary,"
he spoke briefly about Atari.  I haven't heard the word "Atari" over the radio
or television airwaves in so long that hearing it today stunned me! <smile>

Paul Harvey spoke about how huge the video game industry is in the United
States and how it is currently dominated by Nintendo.  But, he said, another
player is about to enter the scene:  Atari.  He said the new game system,
Jaguar, will be released in New York and San Francisco in mid-November and
nationwide "probably not-before-Christmas."  He was upbeat about Atari and the
Jaguar.  He also noted that he's an Atari stockholder.  :-)

- Jeff Williams -

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Message 60        Thu Nov 04, 1993
J.THORNHILL [JAGUARJIM]      at 19:13 EST
 
Accolade has announced that they are a third party in California newspaper
today. I think it was in a Mercury or Mercy (sp?) County paper.

-Jim
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Message 61        Thu Nov 04, 1993
AEO.MAG [!] FSU #1 [!]       at 19:24 EST
 
Yep, Accolade is confirmed! Several sports titles. See y'all in the RTC.

--Travis
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Message 62        Thu Nov 04, 1993
M.RIVMAN1 [MATT]             at 19:49 EST
 
Jeff W. -

Are you the same Jeff W. that used to sysop here on GEnie???

If you _are_... How ya doin'? ;-)  Good to see you around here again.

If your not... "never mind!"

Matt
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Message 63        Thu Nov 04, 1993
RHETT [Mr.Anderson]          at 20:43 EST
 
It's great to see Accolade on board as a Jaguar developer. Hope there are more
big developers soon.

  --Rhett

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Message 64        Thu Nov 04, 1993
C.CASSADAY [Chris C.]        at 20:49 EST
 
Jeff!?!?!?!!

Is that *you*???

If so, glad to see you again!

Chris

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Message 65        Thu Nov 04, 1993
I.FILLMORE1 [Tristan]        at 21:49 EST
 
John C. Dvorak did, in fact, mention the Jaguar in his lates column (PC
Magazine, Nov. 9, '93) but the article was rather negative.  Actually, it was
almost mean.  The title was "Game Machines: Trend or Fiasco?" Basically what
he said was that if it costs more than $100, no one's going to buy it.  Many
times (like, 5) he called the Amiga a "trivial game computer", and said that
it "failed miserably", and so will the "Expensive game machines".  Personally,
I think he'll be proven wrong.
 "People don't want to spend over $100 on a games-only machine.  Period." Well,
I don't know about you, but I think the Jag is worth even MORE than $250. 
Doesn't the SNES go over the $100 mark?  And the Genesis only recently dropped
below.

 "People are playing games on the PC, now that sound and SVGA dominate the
scene and make game playing at least as fun as it is on the Sega or Nintendo
machines."  Does anyone else get the feeling this guy has never picked up a
game controller other than his mouse?  I'd like to see you TRY to run
"Cybermorph" or "Alien vs. Predator" on a PC.

 Well, enough for now...   Tristan  (NewGuy)
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Message 66        Thu Nov 04, 1993
A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt]       at 21:51 EST
 
Gene,

I'll try to post it here. I have to make sure the original copyright owner has
no problem.

Al

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Message 67        Fri Nov 05, 1993
R.WATSON15 [Wayne Watson]    at 00:27 EST
 
 Bob,
   I wanted to ask these question in the RTC tonight but got skipped
 over. Anyway, I was wondering, with the other manufacturers selling
 millions of units per year, isn't 500,000 Jags per year a SMALL
 number of units to produce? Is that the numbers Atari plans on
 producing?

   I also wanted to know if you knew when the press conference/interviews
 would be aired on CBS, CNN, etc.? By the time you respond, I feel it
 will be too late though.

   Anyway, congads on the reception of the Jag and the Stock price. I
 hope Atari will come back in full force and take the market by storm.
 Good luck!

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Message 68        Fri Nov 05, 1993
DMJ [dmj]                    at 00:32 EST
 
Tristan:

Yeah, I read that column too... but then, I take _everything_ I read in a PC
magazine with a healthy grain of salt.  You gotta remember, these magazines
are in the business to make money.  They make money by selling advertising. 
If they're not hyping the latest greatest _PC_ products, what do the
advertisers think?  Keep that in mind as you read PC mags.

Also keep in mind that 99% of PC users (and even programmers) have no
appreciation for how technically inferior, backward, and idiotic their
hardware and software really is.  Just today I was reading some of
Microsloth's developer documentation... and I _swear_, they must deliberately
make these things complicated and hard to understand. They probably have a set
of docs they use "in-house" that is actually usable, but what they sell is
utter junk.  But I digress.

Don't let Dvorak's negative attitude discourage you.  The Jag is an awesome
cat, and it's going to take more than a PC-hawk to kill it.

     -dmj

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Message 69        Fri Nov 05, 1993
ST.LOU [Lou]                 at 00:49 EST
 
Wayne, I am sorry I missed you in the RTC. It was the busiest one I have every
hosted and there were a few 'corrections' during the evening :-) I have
forwarded your question to Bob. If he answer in email, I will post here.
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Message 70        Fri Nov 05, 1993
WETMORE [Tony]               at 01:54 EST
 

    Wayne,

    Sure, Sega and Nintendo sell in the millions of units (systems).
 They've also been on the market a long time, and have lots of
 software available.

    What I think would be interesting, though, is how many units did
 each system sell in its first year.  Does anyone know that?  I'm
 genuinely curious, not trying to start a war or anything.

    After tonight's RTC, I'm going to try calling Atari tomorrow to
 see if I can place a pre-order for a Jaguar (and 2 or 3 games) with
 them.  I can dream...  [:-)

    -Tony

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Message 71        Fri Nov 05, 1993
E.WINDELL [GENE]             at 06:00 EST
 
Tristan,

Like you, I disagree with John C. Dvorak's opinions about expensive game
machines.  If the Amiga was a failure, it was only because people like him
couldn't contend with color graphics, multitasking, and a GUI until Microsoft
said it was okay.

He has overlooked the fact that the hardware required to adapt his PC for use
as an on-line multimedia terminal will cost him a lot more than a Jaguar.  The
guy is past his prime.

Al,

Thanx.  Maybe you could wordsmith the article a bit to comply with the
copywright law.

Gene

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Message 72        Fri Nov 05, 1993
T.FINCHER [Tommy]            at 08:00 EST
 
Yea, He's the same butt head that was raving about how great his IBM & green
monochrome monitor was over the color of the Atari ST's & Amigas.  If Atari of
Commodore had marketed right in 1985, there wouldn't even be a windows today,
or even better, a John C. Dvorak.

trf

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Message 73        Fri Nov 05, 1993
A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt]       at 08:42 EST
 
A quick note on John Dvorak: He's about as distant from Microsloth and Windows
as anyone could be. John doesn't have a fave operating system, and his major
failing is, in fact, his confusion of the Amiga with the ST a couple of times.
In other respects, he's am astute gadfly that Microsloth would love to muzzle.

Al

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Message 74        Fri Nov 05, 1993
ICD.GMBH [Jeff W.]           at 09:20 EST
 
Matt & Chris - Yep, it's me.

It's nice to see Atari receiving so much attention.  I heard Atari mentioned
on American Public Radio's "Marketplace" program on my way in to work this
morning.

I couldn't stick around for the entire RTC last night so I look forward to
downloading the transcript.  Nice job, Lou!

- Jeff -
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Message 75        Fri Nov 05, 1993
MIKE-ALLEN [NM~SysOp]        at 18:04 EST
 
Jeff!

Good to see you around again!  We've missed you.  Now, explain the ICD.GMBH
moniker.  Are you working for ICD in Germany?  Just curious.

Don't be such a stranger.

        Mike Allen
        ST HelpDesk~Sysop

        Written: 3:42 PM Mountain Time
                 Friday, November 5, 1993

(Sorry, TopiCops, but I couldn't resist.  Just for the record:  "how about
that RTC last night?  Over 110 folks showed up to hear about the Jaguar Roll
Out."  Ha, now on topic!)

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Message 76        Fri Nov 05, 1993
R.WATSON15 [Wayne Watson]    at 18:35 EST
 
 Thanks Lou.

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Message 77        Fri Nov 05, 1993
L.FULGENZI [Chas]            at 18:49 EST
 
 I wasn't able to stay for the whole RTC.  I thought the 50,000 units
 shipped figure was for the rest of this year.  Surely Atari plans to
 move more than 50,000 of this cats in 94, yes?


 -Chas
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Message 78        Fri Nov 05, 1993
J.BATTEY1 [J. L. Battey]     at 19:59 EST
 
The Atari Jaguar 64-bit Multimedia Entertainment System is on the SKU price
list of the Incredible Universe store in Dallas, TX as of this morning. 
Available the day after Thanksgiving for $247.99.

                                John L. Battey
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Message 79        Fri Nov 05, 1993
DMJ [dmj]                    at 20:30 EST
 
John Battey:

Thanks, I'll be picking mine up then.  (Assuming they're not sold out by the
time I get there. ;-)

     -dmj

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Message 80        Fri Nov 05, 1993
AEO.MAG [!] FSU #1 [!]       at 20:44 EST
 
//// John,

Another rumor becomes reality! Thanks for the news, sir.

////Chas,

Yes. Atari plans to sell 500,000 Jags in 94, and hopes to sell as many as one 
million.

--Travis

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Message 81        Fri Nov 05, 1993
ST.LOU [Lou]                 at 20:55 EST
 
Thanks, Jeff.W. It was a very pleasant surprise to see you online in your old
stomping grounds. Don't be a stranger, eh? :-)
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Message 82        Fri Nov 05, 1993
M.RIVMAN1 [MATT]             at 20:59 EST
 
And a teriffic job you did too! (in the RTC, Lou.)

Thanks for a job well done!

Matt
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Message 83        Fri Nov 05, 1993
M.BISHOP8 [mike]             at 22:09 EST
 
Could someone tell me if the Jaguar could be purchased directly from Atari
prior to January?  If yes, what address or phone number could I use to order
it.I appreciate any reply as I am not very adept at getting around Genie yet.
thanks. *s
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Message 84        Fri Nov 05, 1993
J.FOUCH [JIM FOUCH]          at 22:40 EST
 
Mike,

Yes, one can purchase a Jaguar directly from Atari. Call Don Thomas at Atari,
there number is 408-745-2000. Or fax them @ 408-745-2088.

Jim Fouch
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Message 85        Fri Nov 05, 1993
J.BATTEY1 [J. L. Battey]     at 23:48 EST
 
If the Atari 2600 lead the way for the current generation (single
processor/coprocessor) of personnal computers, what does the Jaguar
foreshadow?

I wonder how closely related the Jag is to the graphics engine(s) that went
into the Atari Transputer Workstation?

                                John L.

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Message 86        Sat Nov 06, 1993
J.ROY18 [Jonathan]           at 01:18 EST
 
I managed to miss the RTC, but I'm hoping all the important info is (will?) be
posted here. :)

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Message 87        Sat Nov 06, 1993
J.BRENNER1 [See Flat]        at 03:46 EST
 
Does anyone have a clue as too how much Atari is selling this thing for? If
247 is the list/selling price. We can assume that Atari is selling it for
about 180?
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Message 88        Sat Nov 06, 1993
STEVE-J [DrHfuhruhurr]       at 04:53 EST
 
L.FULGENZI - That is correct.  Atari plans to sell AT LEAST 500,000 in 1994.


J.BATTEY1 - The Jaguar chipset and ATW video processors are COMPLETELY
different.
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Message 89        Sat Nov 06, 1993
STEVE-J [DrHfuhruhurr]       at 05:03 EST
 
J.BRENNER1 - $249 is the MSRP.  While I don't know for sure, I've heard that
the dealer cost is right around $200 (+/- $10).  Someone in the Games RT
mentioned a store that's advertising the Jaguar for $225.
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Message 90        Sat Nov 06, 1993
ICDINC                       at 09:20 EST
 
From what I can tell, Sega is selling about 2-3 Million 16 bit systems a year.
Not the 1 Mill per month that was previously reported. In these calculations,
1/2 to 1 Million Jaguars the first year fits quite well.

 - TOM -
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Message 91        Sat Nov 06, 1993
M.WARNER8                    at 10:07 EST
 
I have a feeling that Atari will have little problem moving the million units
they plan on producing in 1994.

Mark
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Message 92        Sat Nov 06, 1993
J.THORNHILL [JAGUARJIM]      at 12:33 EST
 
There will be a new Atari owned 800 number in effect in the next few days or
week or two.  We will be able to order Jaguar T-shirts, caps and probably even
the Jaguar itself.  Would anybody like to take a crack at the number?  Ok, I
see the suspense is getting to you<g>.

Drum roll please!!!      1-800-GO JAGUAR

Jaguar Jim
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Message 93        Sat Nov 06, 1993
RHETT [Mr.Anderson]          at 13:21 EST
 
Tom,

The million units wasn't a per-month figure. It was a single month (September,
I believe). Probably Mom and Dad buying one and hiding it in the closet for
Christmas. The number comes from the Software Industry Bulletin, which is
generally reliable.

  --Rhett

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Message 94        Sat Nov 06, 1993
J.BATTEY1 [J. L. Battey]     at 14:52 EST
 
Jonathan,

ST Roundtable Library file #30622, BRODIE15.ARC.

                                John L.
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Message 95        Sat Nov 06, 1993
AEO.MAG [!] FSU #1 [!]       at 16:15 EST
 
Hey all. I'll be uploading AEO tomorrow. Check the AEO topic (CAT 15, TOP 20)
for the skimpy details! :)

--Travis
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Message 96        Sat Nov 06, 1993
D.ENGEL [Thunderbird]        at 16:20 EST
 
I'm gonna get me one of those T-Shirts ASAP!

      GO JAGUAR!

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Message 97        Sun Nov 07, 1993
REALM [Joey]                 at 00:34 EST
 
  I would say Atari expects to sell a lot more then 500,000.  After all if
your trying to make your company look good it's always betetr to beat your own
predictions.  That way at the end of the year they can claim they sold 500,000
over their estimation instead of we feel short by 500,000.  It's probably a
really safe number.  I wouldn't doubt they expect to sell more then 50,000
before Christmas.

  BTW, Now that Jaguars almost real shouldn't it get it's own Category before
long?  We need a place to start game topics.:-)

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Message 98        Sun Nov 07, 1993
STEVE-J [DrHfuhruhurr]       at 04:46 EST
 
J.THORNHILL - '1-800-GO JAGUA' will also work. <grin>  Thanks for the info! 
I'm looking forward to buying a T-shirt and/or cap.
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Message 99        Sun Nov 07, 1993
ICDINC                       at 05:26 EST
 
Rhett, I am basing my estimate from a yearly sales figure I gleaned from an
article in the Wall Street Journal.

Where can I get a copy of this industry newsletter article?

 - TOM -
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Message 100       Sun Nov 07, 1993
DARLAH [RT~SYSOP]            at 08:57 EST
 
We are working on just that....a home of its own. :-)

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Message 101       Sun Nov 07, 1993
K.STEVENS1 [Capt. Marvel]    at 11:41 EST
 
Can somebody take the Bob Brodie file, Brodie15.arc and the upcoming AEO file 
(on the Jaguar and either upload it as text or in a LHarc format?  I have 
macintosh and there aren't any utilities to unstuff an arc file; though there 
is one to unstuff a Lharc file.  Thanks.

Marv
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Message 102       Sun Nov 07, 1993
AEO.MAG [!] FSU #1 [!]       at 12:47 EST
 
Marv,

I'll start uploading a copy of AEO to the libraries in LZH format. AEO always
includes the Brodie conferences, so you can get that there too.

--Travis
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Message 103       Sun Nov 07, 1993
RHETT [Mr.Anderson]          at 13:22 EST
 
Tom,

>Where can I get a copy of this industry newsletter article?

I'll try to track it down. I might still have a copy in my office.

  --Rhett

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Message 104       Sun Nov 07, 1993
J.THORNHILL [JAGUARJIM]      at 14:04 EST
 
Travis,

When the new AEO be uploaded?  There is aguy on Prodigy saying that his
company is now a Jaguar 3rd party but won't tell us who it is.  He says that
Atari will be announcing it soon.  He says that they have 6 games scheduled
for the Jaguar nex year which is good considering that they only have 4
planned for the Genesis.  He said that on their project board that 3 of the
Jaguar games are in red meaning that they have top priority. Thay are also a
3DO developer and all the programmers were goo goo on it until the Atari rep
visited them twice and showed them the Jaguar and   after getting a chance to
see the Jaguar internals are absolutely goo goo over the Jaguar and have even
been singing a Jaguar rap song.  So far they have two RPG's scheduled and a
Flight Simulator.  He said the flight simulator will utilize every key on the
controller.  Apparently the company he works for has made a popular series of
RPG's for the Genesis.

Does anybody know what company this may sound like that Atari hasn't announced
yet?

-Jungle Jaguar Jim
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Message 105       Sun Nov 07, 1993
L.FULGENZI [Chas]            at 14:53 EST
 
 JJ Jim,


 RPGs for the Jag?!!  You my friend just made my WEEKEND!!


 -Chas

 p.s., I'm stealing you post and moving it o the Games RT, please
 let me know if this is tacky and I won't touch them in the future.

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Message 106       Sun Nov 07, 1993
C.SMITH89                    at 15:56 EST
 
 The only third-party Genesis developer I can think of who's done a
 number of RPGs would have to be Rennovation. They had the Genesis versions
 of Y's 3 and Exile.

 Clint Smith
 Editor
 Atari Power Entertainment Newsletter
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Message 107       Sun Nov 07, 1993
J.THORNHILL [JAGUARJIM]      at 17:34 EST
 
I am thinking that the third party I mentioned may be Sierra but I am not sure
if they do Genesis games.  Hopefully we will know soon.

Clint, when will the next APE be going out?

-Jim
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Message 108       Sun Nov 07, 1993
BOB-BRODIE [Atari Corp.]     at 17:43 EST
 
Lou,

I'm happy to answer Wayne's question here.  Thanks for making it possible for
me to play "catch up" after the RTC!  And BTW, I was so drained after that
very long day I didn't take the time to thank you for one of your best jobs
hosting an RTC ever!  Considering the amazing response we got to this CO (much
bigger crowd than I had expected!) I thought you did a fabulous job. Thanks!

Boy, was I tired!  I was very glad that Ron Kovacs was around, I needed to
step back from the keyboard and just dictate my responses to him. :) Whatta
luxury!!

OK, now for Wayne...

The number of units that we have projected to manufacture for next year is
quite realistic. Bear in mind that the Jaguar is being handled much different
than we ever handled a product before: a domestic manufacturer handling
shipping and warehousing for us, as well as developing a network of resellers
for a major home entertainment product.

The other companies have established track records, lots of software and good
distribution.  We have a superior product that we believe is going to capture
(and to an extent, alreads) the attention of the marketplace.  Our number may
appear to be conservative, but for a  brand new machine...we think it's on
target.  Part of the production numbers will be software driven.  That is, if
a really terrific game comes out (Say, Alien vs. Predator in Januar) and the
marketplace goes BONKERS..we'll build more. :)  If the killer game is later
than that (or let's say there is _more_ than ONE killer game!) that will
affect our plans, too. :)

I'm sorry, I don't know when CNN et all will be airing their clips. Cunningham
Communications should be making copies of those available for us.  I'll have a
look at them when they come in.  Did you see the article in Thursday's USA
Today in the LIFE Section? :)

Your warm wishes for success are appreciated!!!

best regards,

Bob Brodie
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Message 109       Sun Nov 07, 1993
C.SMITH89                    at 20:09 EST
 
 Jim, next issue is being mailed tommorow(I'm going back to envelope
 stuffing when I finish this message).
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Message 110       Sun Nov 07, 1993
RHETT [Mr.Anderson]          at 20:30 EST
 
Jim,

Sierra has not done any Genesis games. Dynamix (a division of Sierra) has done
two for the Sega CD.

  --Rhett

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Message 111       Sun Nov 07, 1993
ST.LOU [Lou]                 at 20:46 EST
 
Hey Bob! Thanks for answering Wayne's question and for the appreciations.
Doing Dateline Atari with you has been one of my most enjoyable tasks as a
sysop. The sheer excitement on the first Friday of each month is something I
eagerly anticipate.
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Message 112       Sun Nov 07, 1993
AEO.MAG [!] FSU #1 [!]       at 20:57 EST
 
 //// Jungle Jaguar Jim,

I really can't say what company's profile that is. I am sure there are many
developers for the Jaguar I am unaware of. If P* has Internet mail access,
have the gentleman drop me some EMail here on GEnie.

AEO_0219 has just been uploaded in ZIP and LZH formats.

IMHO y'all should read it.

//// Bob,

Can that _really_ be you? Online? What will they think of next? <grin>

--Travis
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Message 113       Sun Nov 07, 1993
SAM-RAPP [<<Sam>>]           at 21:34 EST
 
T-Shirts?  WHO would want one of those?  ;-)

========> Sam

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Message 114       Sun Nov 07, 1993
L.FULGENZI [Chas]            at 21:45 EST
 
Hmm...been thinking about what developer JJ Jim could be speaking with on
Prodigy.  One name that came to mind was Treco who put out Sorcerer's Kingdom,
an average RPG.  I'm not sure, but they may have also developed Warsong, an
excellent RPG/strategy game.


-Chas
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Category 14,  Topic 45
Message 115       Sun Nov 07, 1993
D.ENGEL [Thunderbird]        at 21:56 EST
 
Bob Brodie:

   In the conference you stated that the Jaguar has an RS-232 port on the
expansion connector. Can you elaborate on this? What I'm really trying to find
out if the port is a true RS-232 port which would allow the connection of an
off-the-shelf modem, or if it's a nonstandard serial port that would require a
dedicated modem. Thanks.

   Also, can you tell us when and where to look to see Jaguar ads on TV?

   Thanks...

     _____________________
          \hunderbird

P.S. I've got your Jaguar logo proudly displayed as the wallpaper on my MS-
Windows (blech!) at work... Go Jaguar! ;-)

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Category 14,  Topic 45
Message 116       Sun Nov 07, 1993
A.GIOVETTI [al giovetti]     at 23:01 EST
 
bob-brodie,

can you tell us how many units will be available to the press and who is
getting them?

Al
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Category 14,  Topic 45
Message 117       Sun Nov 07, 1993
WETMORE [Tony]               at 23:15 EST
 

    Al,

    Nothing personal, of course, but...

    If you're a press-type looking for a evaluation copy of a Jaguar,
 I would say that posting messages in this Bulletin Board really isn't
 the best place for you to make your contact with Atari.

    Or so it would seem to me, an outsider.  Maybe you should call the
 press relations types at Atari Corp?  Just a thought...  [:-)

    -Tony

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Category 14,  Topic 45
Message 118       Sun Nov 07, 1993
SAM-RAPP [<<Sam>>]           at 23:17 EST
 
I don't know Jim.  I did see a usenet post from a fellow who works for a
company called "Id Software".  Aparently they make a game for the NeXT called
"DOOM" which is also scheduled for a before Christmas release for the PC.  He
said that they are now a Jaguar Developer and that they were putting thier
SNES port of the game on hold and doing a Jaguar version instead!  Looks like
the Jag may be THE THING for 1994!

Bob!  I knew you would find a way for me to get a Jaguar this year AND get a
nifty Hat and T-Shirt!  Thanks!  ;-)


==============> Sam

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Category 14,  Topic 45
Message 119       Mon Nov 08, 1993
A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt]       at 00:07 EST
 
Sam,

Great ASCII art!

Al

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Category 14,  Topic 45
Message 120       Mon Nov 08, 1993
BOB-BRODIE [Atari Corp.]     at 02:37 EST
 
Travis,

Hey, you just can't ever tell what's gonna happen any more, can ya? :) Twice
in ONE DAY! (I'm missing Ghost, but I've seen it before!!)

And I'll take your advice and go read AEO, too! :-)

Sam,

NICE ASCII ART!!!  Really well done! Congrats!

Jim,

There are a number of developers that we're working with, both that  have
signed up, and are waiting for evaluation units.  I don't have any info about
who uses what online service. I can say that in my opinion they should all use
GEnie! :)

You're correct about ID Software being one of the new firms working on the
Jaguar...Doom is the game that they will be doing.  I believe that they are
the ones that did Wolfenstein 3D, as well.

T-Bird,

The RS-232 port is nonstandard, sorry.

I don't have a copy of the broadcast schedule yet either. From what I have
been told though, you shouldn't have to hunt for the ads.  They are scheduled
to run enough that everyone should see them at least three or four times. 
Travis says Pete Denoso of AEO already called him to say that he's seen them,
and Ron Kovacs of AEO called me today and said that he'd heard them. So, the
teaser ads are out there now! If you're not in the NYC area, try checking on
WOR.

Tony,

Actually, Al did send a fax to our CFO, Augie Ligouri.  Augie has forwarded it
to my boss, who forwarded it to me. So, he's really not out of line to ask
about it hear, as we haven't responded to him yet. Getting ready for the NYC
rollout event was our priority, and we just had to put some things on the back
burner.

Al,

Sam Tramiel told me to expect review units this coming week, week  after in
the very worse case scenario.  I have your fax to Augie Ligouri, our CFO on my
desk in the office.  When I return to  Sunnyvale tomorrow I'll take a look at
your request.  Yes, I do have a  tenative list of reviewers that I want to
send Jaguars to. At this point, you're not on it.  But I'm probably going to
have to review the list at least one more time, so I'll consider your request.
With all due respect, we're looking at dealing directly with the  publications
first, rather than the free lancers that sometimes  are published in the mags.
I hope you understand that decision, and take it in the spirit it is intended.

Regarding your request as to how many review units, and whom will  be getting
them; at this point I respectfully decline to answer that question.  

We're certainly looking to get as much coverage as possible, and are
developing the plans necessary for us to do so.

best regards,

Bob Brodie
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Category 14,  Topic 45
Message 121       Mon Nov 08, 1993
AEO.MAG [!] FSU #1 [!]       at 03:04 EST
 
Go Bob Go! Well, at least I know what's going to happen Saturday in  Northern
Indiana.

--Travis

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Category 14,  Topic 45
Message 122       Mon Nov 08, 1993
J.BRENNER1 [See Flat]        at 03:42 EST
 
Bob Brodie,
           This is certainly none of my business but.......
 Al would be a great guy to review a jag.

 Fisrt: Although he is freelance I believe he mentioned at one point
        that his column appears in hundreds of papers. I imagine we
        could assume many thousands read it.

 Second: He knows what the heck he is talking about, so if your product
         is good he will recognize it immediatly.

  Third: He loves Atari stuff so he will he will probably write a
         very convincing, positive piece.

 Fourth: heck......Al is here 365 days a year helping all of us
         Atari users. Surely you can recognize him as one of the
         good guys!

  John Brenner
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Category 14,  Topic 45
Message 123       Mon Nov 08, 1993
R.WATSON15 [Wayne Watson]    at 05:30 EST
 
   Thanks for the response Bob.

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Category 14,  Topic 45
Message 124       Mon Nov 08, 1993
STEVE-J [DrHfuhruhurr]       at 05:53 EST
 
Okay, just to update the Jaguar developer list:

 Anco Software Ltd.
 Maxis Software
 Telegames
 Beyond Games Inc.
 Microids
 Tiertex Ltd.
 Dimension Technologies
 Midnight Software Inc.
 Titus
 Eurosoft
 Ocean Software Ltd.
 Tradewest
 High Voltage Software
 Rebellion Software Ltd.
 Trimark Interactive
 Krisalis Software Ltd.
 Retour 2048
 U.S. Gold Ltd.
 Loricel S.A.
 Silmarils
 Park Place Productions
 Virgin Games
 Accolade
 Microprose
 ID Software
 Interplay
 UBI Soft
 Gremlin Graphics
 Millenium
 Atari Games (to use Jaguar hardware in arcade units)

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Category 14,  Topic 45
Message 125       Mon Nov 08, 1993
S.WINICK                     at 06:48 EST
 
Bob (Brodie),

Al's column is syndicated and appears in a plethora of newspapers in the
northeast -- an area I understand will be one of the primary rollout areas for
the Falcon.  His column is indeed well read.  I have customers who are always
telling me about things he writes about Atari computers.  Atari would be
missing the boat on some potentially excellent press coverage for the Jaguar
if you don't get an evaluation unit to him for a review.  Lets see...... the
cost of an evaluation unit divided by the number of papers that carry Al's
syndicated column, divided again by the number of readers per paper........
gosh, that comes out to almost nothing per reader! Sounds like a pretty good
addition to your advertising budget to me! ;-]

Sheldon (Computer STudio - Asheville, NC)
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Category 14,  Topic 45
Message 126       Mon Nov 08, 1993
AEO.MAG [!] FSU #1 [!]       at 11:36 EST
 
Guys,

There are _two_ Als being spoken of here. One is Al Giovetti, who has FAXed
Atari asking for a press unit, and Al Fasoldt, longtime ST RT fixture and
author of the syndicated column.


Sorry for sticking my nose in....

--Travis
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Category 14,  Topic 45
Message 127       Mon Nov 08, 1993
PG.MUSIC [PG-Kevin]          at 13:21 EST
 
Al Fasoldt,
 I wonder if I'd see your column in the NY Times? Or the Atlanta
Journal/Constitution? What type of column is it?

--Kevin (Atlanta)
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Category 14,  Topic 45
Message 128       Mon Nov 08, 1993
TOWNS [John]                 at 13:50 EST
 
 Atari Games is going to use Jaguar hardware in their Arcade Games?
 Wow! That is interesting news. Travis.. you should mention to Bob
 that Atari's PR Firm should get off their butts and issue some 
 Press Releases on this sort of stuff! 
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Category 14,  Topic 45
Message 129       Mon Nov 08, 1993
BOB-BRODIE [Atari Corp.]     at 18:15 EST
 
Travis,

Thanks for sticking your nose in...you're 100% correct.  There are TWO Als
being spoken of here. Since I was responding to a message from one of them
directed to me, I _assumed_ that everyone would recognize which one I was
writing to.  Silly me! :-)

Let's see, from what Sheldon says, I think he's referring to Al Fasoldt. I
certainly see nothing referring to a newspaper column in the fax from Al
Giovetti!

But to all that responded...thanks for your input!  It's always nice to see
such a high level of concern about who we should be in contact with in the
media.  I appreciate your input.

Towns,

:)  You were here long enough, surely you remember the drill.  The deal gets
cut, we call the PR firm, and go online as post about it. :) :)

The PR firm is working on press releases, with full backgrounders on all of
the new developers we signed up, including Virgin, Interplay, and ID Software.
Of course, they also had to do an event in the Newport Mall in New Jersey this
past weekend, and again this weekend, too. Come to  think of it, most of their
staff working on our account is still in NY as I write this. :)  Give 'em a
break, John.  They'll do the job well.

Most of our PR efforts right now are more focused on magazines, with a longer
lead time than say...AEO. :)

regards,

Bob Brodie
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Category 14,  Topic 45
Message 130       Mon Nov 08, 1993
W.VELTING                    at 18:53 EST
 
What is the number to order a Jaguar, and how soon will Atari be accepting
orders for them?
                                           William D. Velting
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Category 14,  Topic 45
Message 131       Mon Nov 08, 1993
J.BRENNER1 [See Flat]        at 19:05 EST
 
 Bob,

     Al Giovetti! .......oh......uh......hmmmm....

 Never mind. ;-)

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Category 14,  Topic 45
Message 132       Mon Nov 08, 1993
AEO.MAG [!] FSU #1 [!]       at 20:22 EST
 
Bob,

That's not the drill. It's supposed to go like this: Atari cuts a deal, Atari
calls the PR firm, then Atari goes online and debates whether or not what it
did was a good thing.

Atari should be concentrating on the magazines, look at all the guff caused by
one magazines calling the Jaguar a 16-bit machine in their October issue. They
should have been careful.

That's not to say AEO isn't grateful for the attention given to it. "Lead
time?" Gee, give me a phone call and a few hours and *poof* there's an issue.

Atari users expect instant details and "in the boardroom" stuff. What other
corporation has to deal with the likes of us? Bob, y'all do a great job at
Atari keeping us informed.

A mall show this weekend and next? Wow. AEO lost a story. That's ok, we had
the Targas first.

--Travis
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Category 14,  Topic 45
Message 133       Mon Nov 08, 1993
J.BATTEY1 [J. L. Battey]     at 20:53 EST
 
Bob Brodie,

Will there be any ads in the Dallas market?

I have confirmation from Inredible Universe that they will have Jaguars the
for Christmas season.  In fact, it showed up on a new SKU price sheet that the
employees were given when they got to work on Friday.

What are the chances of getting together something with or by the IU folks to
show off the Jag in the foyer of the InfoMart during the Users' Group meetings
on the 20th of November?  Seems to me that trotting it out in front of 4000+
technojunkies a week before it hits the store might boost sales and give you
an inexpensive News Event.

Also, there is a somewhat misinformed blurb on the front page of the Business
section of today's Dallas Morning News (Monday, Nov. 8, 1993).  Is the Rumour
Patrol overtaxed yet?

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Category 14,  Topic 45
Message 134       Mon Nov 08, 1993
T.MCCOMB [=Tom=]             at 20:55 EST
 
Bob- what was going on in the Newport Mall?  and what is going on this
weekend?  Where is the Newport Mall in NJ?  I live in Staten Island (y'know-
the part of NYC that's seceding) and NJ is just a stones throw and tank of gas
and a ton of NYC Bridge tolls away.

 -Tom McComb
  {7:58 pm}  Monday, November 8, 1993

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Category 14,  Topic 45
Message 135       Mon Nov 08, 1993
AEO.MAG [!] FSU #1 [!]       at 20:56 EST
 
//// William Velting,

I was talkig with Bob about an hour and a half ago, and Atari will have a 
order acceptance arrangement ready very soon. Very soon. I'm pretty certain 
that when that information is released, it will show up here in this very 
topic, just as fast as it can be keyed in.

Rest assured, you are in Jaguar Info Central.

//// All,

You may know this already, but if you don't, the 1-800-GO-JAGUAR number is 
NOT, repeat NOT a number to order Jaguars from. This number isn't ready yet 
anyway (I just checked.).

--Travis

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Category 14,  Topic 45
Message 136       Mon Nov 08, 1993
T.HEBEL [Spud Boy]           at 21:01 EST
 
Thunderbird,
   Off TOPIC... How did you get that picture on the Windows Desktop.  Mainly
how did you convert it to a BMP?

   On TOPIC... Which stores are gonna handle the JAGUAR in New York. It would
be a three hour drive for me, so I would like to narrow down the places to
look once I got there.
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Category 14,  Topic 45
Message 137       Mon Nov 08, 1993
D.SHORR                      at 22:41 EST
 
The System Comparison table in AEO_SE_J states that the Jaguar has a
resolution of 720*576.  I plan on using my SC1224 for the display, but it only
goes upto ST Medium<g>.  Where am I going to get all those extra pixels:)?

At work today I looked at the Jaguar articles in the October 1993 Computer
Select CD-ROM.  One of the articles referred to the Jag as a 32-bit system(it
wasn't a game mag either):(.

Are there any Cybermorph pix?

Dave

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Category 14,  Topic 45
Message 138       Mon Nov 08, 1993
S.WINICK                     at 23:16 EST
 
 Bob (Brodie),

   >> Let's see, from what Sheldon says, I think he's referring to
   >> Al Fasoldt. 

 Absolutely correct!  Good to see you back online on a more regular
 basis again, Bob.  ;-] 

 Sheldon (Computer STudio - Asheville, NC)
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Category 14,  Topic 45
Message 139       Mon Nov 08, 1993
D.ENGEL [Thunderbird]        at 23:23 EST
 
Spud Boy:

   I printed out the IMG file with pagestream and scanned in the resulting
file on the PC at work. I forget the name of the scanner software, but it has
BMP as an output file. Easy!

        _______________________
                 \hunderbird

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Category 14,  Topic 45
Message 140       Mon Nov 08, 1993
SAM-RAPP [<<Sam>>]           at 23:49 EST
 
Travis--------->

You think you could get the pin-out of the Jags expansion port for us?

Also, I thought there was supposed to be some info on Atari Direct sales of
the Jaguar in this weekends edition of AEO?

Thanks!

==========> Sam

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Category 14,  Topic 45
Message 141       Mon Nov 08, 1993
DMJ [dmj]                    at 23:51 EST
 
T-Bird--

Why didn't you just take the IMG file and convert it to BMP directly?

Dave S.--

I would imagine you get the 720x576 through some sort of interlace. Before you
fall apart in spasms of anxiety, remember that your TV is interlaced... and
you don't notice it.  Why?  Because of all the colors.  I suspect with all the
colors the Jag can crank out, the interlace won't look too bad.

(Please note: this is pure speculation on my part.)

     -dmj

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Category 14,  Topic 45
Message 142       Tue Nov 09, 1993
WETMORE [Tony]               at 00:23 EST
 

    I think somebody uploaded a color version of the Jaguar logo in
 .GIF format.  Finding a program to convert .GIF to .BMP is real easy
 (though I don't know of any off the top of my head).

    I had one and converted to an OS/2 bmp which I used as a background
 for awhile.  I'll probably go back to using it again, it's kinda
 cool.  [:-)

    -Tony

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Category 14,  Topic 45
Message 143       Tue Nov 09, 1993
AEO.MAG [ B-Day ]            at 01:26 EST
 
//// Dave,

Dunno about the extra resolution. Maybe interlace combined with overscan?

The Jag _IS_ a 64-bit machine. Bob needs to work a little harder on these 
mags. ;-)

I have some Cybermorph Targas, but they're very... smudgy and dark. I've  been
debating whether or not to upload them for fear that Jaguar detractors  would
have a field day with them. What say, people? They're not a decent 
representation of what the game will look like, but they're all I have. 
Should I upload one as a test?

//// Sam,

I can try (on the pin outs), but that may be a tricky one.

I may do another Jaguar Special Edition this weekend. MAYBE. By then, Atari 
should be close to being set up to take orders. They're not ready just yet.

//// All,

Here's a tidbit I gleened from a FAX Bob sent me. Atari (themselves) are 
working on a VR Jaguar helmut "for the future." This is neat. I thought  some
third-party was going to do that, but Atari apparently is.

Bob Brodie was still in his office this evening at 7pm Pacific time. I  think
we all owe Bob a round of applause for all of the extra work he's  putting
into making this marketing drive work.

--Travis

(I think I'll be busy today, see y'all in about 24 hours.)
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Category 14,  Topic 45
Message 144       Tue Nov 09, 1993
STEVE-J [DrHfuhruhurr]       at 06:31 EST
 
BOB-BRODIE - Has Atari considered a Jaguar 'core system' for those who don't
care for a pack-in game?


WETMORE - GEM-View will convert .GIF to .BMP.


AEO.MAG - I just hope any Jaguar VR helmet doesn't suck like the Victor Maxx
one for the Genesis!
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Category 14,  Topic 45
Message 145       Tue Nov 09, 1993
C.OINES1 [Chazz]             at 07:20 EST
 
If it looks bad, I don' wanna see 'em ;)
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